Thursday, May 04, 2006
Japanese Clones of the 40's, 50's, and 60's
Shortly after W.W.II, Japan, with money from the United States, manufactured a large number of sewing machines. The most common of these were based on the Singer Model 15 but there are also Singer 99 clones. Indeed many of these machines are practically indistinguishable from a Singer and use parts that are interchangeable. Often they were given American sounding names to appeal to the overseas market. Over 5000 different "brands" have been identified, manufactured by 15 or so companies. Unfortunately, records from these manufactures don't exist, so it is impossible to identify them further. Generally speaking, a machine will, somewhere, state "made in Japan" or have "JA- " stamped into the bottom of the machine. To further complicate matters, large retailers would purchase machines and have the company name on them: RH Macy, Gimbals, etc. Any retailer so inclined could have Sewing Machines made just for him or her (Sears Kenmore, Wards Signature). I've tracked Department Stores, Machines with Automobile names, female names, patriotic names etc. The post war machines are generally well made, often quieter and smoother running than the Singers they were copied from! Japan also gave us many of our colored sewing machines. Examples have been found in metallic blue, green, pink, yellow, and I have a Fire Engine Red one! In terms of collectability, don't be fooled by a claim of "an extremely rare" Mitsubishi, Ford, Saxon, Stitch Queen etc., the same machine could have dozens of different names. If it says "Singer" on the machine, it probably is. If it doesn't, it's not. The Japanese machines have not caught on with collectors (even the ones made in Occupied Japan) and as a result retain very little value. They can be found at many thrift shops for $10-$20 and at local auctions for under $5. This might be a good niche for a collector on a limited budget – they could collect all pink machines or one machine of each color.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 272 of 272Thanks Very much Ed. Since my last posting about the Belair I have acquire a lovely Pinnox Pax machine, intact & yesterday a Toyota Model 4031; Series RS140. The machines are abundant but alas the manuals are not, although a lovely lady emailed me the manual for the Pinnox Pax. Shame its so heavy but it looks perfect. Appreciate your help Cheers Pam Richardson, North East England xx
Ed: we recently purchased a vintage sewing machine, the gold plate on the front says Los Angeles Deluxe made in occupied Japan. That is the only identifier other than the serial number think it looks a lot like a Pfaff 130. It has a single hole bobbin. I need to find parts for it. In particular the screw holding holding the bobbin winder assembly to the body. The assembly was off when purchased, and the oiling screw was too short. I tried to replace it with a regular screw with no luck. I've yet to find a screw either metric or imperial that works. Any suggestions?
It shouldn't be hard. If you are near any place that actually repairs sewing machines (vice sending them out for repair) they should have screws in their parts bin that would work. If the oiling screw (?) is the correct diameter and thread, just not long enough, carry that with you and tell them you need one just like it but longer. Another possibility is a gunsmith - I think some of the screws used on sewing machines are also used on guns. -Ed
Hello Ed...I have had a vintage sewing machine that I had inherited from my now deceased grandmother who taught me how to sew when I was a little girl and would now like to use it to teach my own three daughters. My issuse as I see a lot of people have is finding instructions. It has a couple plates on it..one being Brant, another being 650 De Luxe Precision and another as Dynamic model 73, it seems to operate great but the foot wont lift im not sure how to get it to engage to do so...its sitting at my kitchen table in its heavy blue case as my daughter wishes she can just sew something...any suggestions on where or how to get operating instructions?
I have a Visetti Sewing Machine Model 1692-TW. The tension spring caught on some mesh fabric. Anyone know where I can get one without buying the whole unit? If not, can I get the whole tension unit somewhere. Thanks Deb B
I can think of at least three springs that could be called a "tension spring". If you could send a photo to my gmail address OldSewingMachines, I might be able to help. -Ed
hello
my name is sarah.
a friend of mine just gave me a sewing machine.
it is a sewmor
model number 250
i have absolutely no knowledge of it at all.
other than it was made in japan if anyone can tell me anything about it i would be most grateful!
i have googled and googled for hours and i cannot find ANYTHING about this machine!! please help!!
mrs.shaprio@gmail.com
These clones machine prices have really gone up.....at least on eBay!
Such a helpful blog. I have read almost the entire thing. Phew.
I have a 15 class Japanese clone Precision Home Mark machine. Downloaded several different comparable manuals with success. It is a machine my father in law used and holds sentimental value. It runs great. My husband and I would like to spruce it up and sew with it for a long time. I have been looking for parts and found belts, wiring for the generic 15 class HA 1 machines. I am having trouble finding a motor. Are the parts fairly interchangeable? Have not figured out exactly what model Singer it replicates. Maybe the 15-30. Can I even use parts from a Singer? Any known websites that sell parts for this machine?
Thanks very much for any help.
Sara
Hi Ed! I just got my husband's grandmother's BelAir 990 Automatic Zigzag. I got the threading and bobbin winding down but when it actually comes to the sewing it either jams or the thread breaks If I'm lucky enough to get past thus point it won't actually stitch anything. Any thoughts as to what may be going on? Thanks!
Hi Ed, I have a vintage Morse machine and cannot find a model number for it. Would love to post a picture and see if you could help.
I have an Emerson sewing machine in a blue and white case. I would like to know how old it is and where I can get information on it. It has a gold tag on the front that says the machine the satisfies Deluxe, made in Japan.
Thank You Darla
I have just acquired a Modern Home sewing machine. Made in Japan by the Precision Sewing Machine Distributor. Stamped on the machine is SN 56-26933. I think its a knock off of a Singer 15-90. It has a knob to lower the feed dogs located near the base of the machine under the forward/reverse lever on the plate bed (sorry if my terminology is bad). How can I find out if it is a clone of a 15-90? It is missing the bobbin case & needs lots cleaning/oiling, new belts & new plug but is not frozen solid & slight rust. thank you
Angie, the mechanics in your machine are more likely 15-30 copies. If you send me photos of your electrical connector and bobbin case area to my gmail address OldSewingMachines, I can probably fix you up with replacements. -Ed
Hello Ed! We ran across your post about the clone machines and I am wondering if I have one. I have a Brother (antique) machine (made in Japan) with gold embroidering around the whole machine. It also has a big "infinity" symbol on the front and all over the rest of the body. The side has a silver plate with unfamiliar markings. The most questionable part is, almost everything has a "Brother" stamp on it.I have yet to have seen another and wonder what I am looking at. Have any ideas?
hello.
I have an old machine B.B.A. brand that says BEBA.
my mother says that it is czech but i cannot find the brand anywhere.
thank you.
HI ED
I have got the Viscount Vimatic sewing machine and would like to know some history and date of manufacture of this model:
Viscount Vimatic JN 745024 NE JA 12
Ed- I have the opportunity to purchase a 7 Jewel Automatic Zig Zag sewing machine, teal in color. Not finding much info about it. Do you know if this machine would have a JA or JC # on it?
Thanks! Camille
It sounds like a Japanese machine but the only way to tell is to look under the machine. Even knowing the name doesn't tell because several Japanese manufacturers used the same badge. I don't know how many different "Dressmaker" or "Seamstress" machines were made but you can find them with JA numbers from different manufacturers. -Ed
Yaro, I am afraid I can't help much with your Viscount. The Yahoo Vintage Japan Sewing Machines Group has been compiling a list of JA and JC numbers with the hope of tying badged names to manufacturers but JA12 was not even on the list yet so I can't tell you who made your machine. - Ed
Hi. I like reading the info here. I have a Riccar #RZ121923 stamped underneath, also LC5 and J-A5. I know it was made in Japan, but can't find any info booklet/manual on it. It works, but only part of the time, can't figure out problem. Seems really well made. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
You can find Riccar manuals at
http://www.riccar.com/help/manuals/
I didn't see your specific model listed but you might try downloading a few in hopes of finding one similar. -Ed
Hi, I'm searching for info on a vintage machine. Looks much like an old Singer but has "PRIDE" in gold lettering, label on the motor is Elray Model 12 BB 3 Hollywood, Calif. Any ideas are appreciated. Thank you
I am trying to find an owners manuel for a Classic sewing machine BSS 1623 NKZ 1200 No. 1646, made in Japan. Any help would be appreciated.
KFussell
i have a american home deluxe precision sewing machine distributors made in occupied japan serial#A 191290 is it worth any thing ? cant find a lot of info on it !
My husband brought home a vintage machine. Royal De Luxe made in Japan with a Universal motor made in USA. The number 55202 is stamped on it. I cannot tell if all the pieces are there or not as the bobbin case looks like something is missing. I am unable to find a photo of this machine online. The machine needs a belt but otherwise operates well. Are you familiar with this machine, is there a manual I could obtain, and do you know of anyone that works on such machines in the Nashville TN area? I like the machine and would enjoy using it. Thank you.
Ed you're the best! I figured out my new sewtex because of your great post with www.parts.singerco.com/IPinstManuals/15.pdf
Thank you!!
I have my grandmother's Winthrop Twin Needle Super ZigZag she bought and used in her bridal shop in New Jersey. It was passed to my mother and them me. It has served me well. It has been running beautifully since the 2940's. I have it serviced only as the timing needs it. I oil it myself. I couldn't sew on anything else as well.
Hi Ed, I recently picked up a Nelco SZA 221, This was my X's and she had it since the 1970's. It had been sitting in a house for several years.When powered the light came on but when I used the foot pedal the motor only grunted a bit. I cleaned and oiled the machine and now everything seems to be working.. My concern is that when I removed the top plate the and rotated the Stitch selector 2 the nylon or plastic gear which regulates the sizing is cracked in several places and I could tell that very soon it would probably break..I cleaned the fractured areas and gently placed some epoxy -JB clear weld to hopefully keep thing together for a while at least.. I guess i will put some thick lube on it after it sets or perhaps wrap in nylon tape?. is there a place to buy a replacement gear or is there a better way to attempt to repair? Thanks, JB
I have one just like this one that my mother bought for me at a garage sale. I still sews like a champ.
Hi. I just got a vintage sewing machine, which the family I bough it from says it is from the 50's. The brand name painted and engraved on it is Rover. The lady said it is from Germany. On the machine is written the Rover Sewing Machine Co. The machine also has a picture of an eagle, holding a swastika emblem. Is this a Japanese clone or was there really a company called Rover Sewing Machine Co manufactured in Germany? and what does the eagle and symbol mean? Is it from nazi germany??
Would you be able to confirm if the Ocean Sewing Machine Co. Ltd. is a Japanese clone manufacturing company or were they located in the U.S.?
In the early 90's I purchased a Ocean machine at a yard sale for $20. It has an "S" serial number ... S75379, but I cannot locate any information on it to date it.
Louise
floridafly@hotmail.com
Wow...what a great source of info, Ed :)
In 2008 I bought a Mercury Dial-o-Matic, Model R3L, serial # TA131404, from a thrift shop for $20. I have tried finding out more about it but since I've read your blog I realize I'm not likely to get any information. I did find out that it was manufactured in Utsunomiya, Japan around 1956.
It's a beautiful machine with bright decals and an intricate faceplate. It sews great and is fairly quiet. I use it for piecing my quilt blocks.
Hi ED, I recently acquired a Fleetwood sewing machine, and like others I cannot find a year. I am very curious about it... I have several pictures I can send to you, if you have a chance to help me out. Thanks Becky.
Lilbecky@269@yahoo. com
My friend has a Toyota treadle machine. Yes, it says Toyota. Lovely soft green color in a lovely cabinet, it's as close to MINT as I've ever seen and I deal in antique treadles. This is from the 40's, and she has found a reference about the Marshall Plan after the war. This is the only one I have ever seen or even heard of. I contacted Toyota for her but, although they heard of it, they have no info. It has the manual, attachments and all with it. Anyone elae heard of it?
Were any of the post-WWII models treadles, or all electric? A customer came to my shop looking for information on her mother's machine. It's a treadle Mitsubishi, purchased by her mother while her father was stationed in Japan.
Thank you for any information you can provide.
Angela
Hi Ed
I have recently inherited a machine prob a clone of the singer 15. It says John Wanamaker.. The plate says "Precision sewing machine distributors deluxe Precision built made in Japan the motor is General Motors Corp Delco appliance and has the word Happy u the machine is several place runs well.. But it was threaded with very heavy (like fishing line or upolstry thread top and bobbin.. I re threaded it with normal thread ..any thoughts on this it weights 28.5 lb and is 14.5x7
Thanks
Diana
Barbara, Toyota sewing machines were/are made by the same company that makes the Camry. you can see a history of the Toyota Sewing Machine at
http://www.sewtoyota.com/historyDetails.php
-Ed
Diana, I have heard that the Happy Sewing Machine Company made quality machines but I have never been fortunate enough to get my hands on one to test that. The only Happy machine I ever saw was a Montgomery Ward machine that was too overpriced to consider. Happy made the MW sewing machines from 1978 probably until MW went out of business. You can see a history of the Happy Sewing Machine Company at
http://happy-ind.co.jp/about/history.html
-Ed
My name is jackie and trying to find out the year my sewing machine was made it was made in Japan but has a us pat. No.clo5455 what does that mean?
In 1956 my Dad purchased a "Streamlined Super Deluxe Sewing Machine" designed by Sokolec and made in Japan. It is encased in furniture with the pedal on the side to be used by the right knee. I used it more than Mom and continued to use it until this mother's day when my husband bought me a computerized Viking. Because it still works and my sentimentality for it, I don't want to throw it away. Is anyone interested in these machines because of their vintage? Are they considered antiques?
Are they buyable for their parts? Do you have any suggestions for me?
Thank you. Vicky
Hello Ed, my grandmother left me a fantastic 'Mercedes' handcrank sewing machine. I have no doubt it's a 15 clone (based on looks, condition and name) but I wonder why there is nowhere on the machine any reference that it is made in Japan. There us no serial, nothing underneath, no numbers painted, stamped or anything. Could Mercedes have anything to do with it, like they want to keep their name up so no reference to made in Japan?
I had a clone one time that had the "Made in Japan" decal BEHIND the motor - I had to remove the motor to see it. Ed
Any chance anyone has seen a Precision Stitch-o-matic
I was just given a DeLuxe Sewing Machine model Diana BB114932 is there someplace I could look to find a manual. Not even sure what all it does or even have to thread.
Hello, Ed. What a great blog! Shortly after we were married in 1960 my wife bought a machine (new) with the name 'WHITE' superimposed over a triangle, and a plate stating: "Made in Japan especially for the White Sewing Machine Corporation". On the very bottom of the machine (after I lifted it up) is stamped FZ 903 3060. At the time we had very little money, so my wife made all of her maternity clothes and things like a cover for a couch, ad infinitum. She died almost nine years ago, so it hasn't been used since then and for who knows how many prior years, but has been stored well and seems to be in mint condition. My daughter wants to use the machine, but alas and alack I have no manual. Do you think it is worth putting any money into? Thank you very much.
Hi Ed. I found an old Brother Boutique 761. I don't have the cabinet, just two plugs. Do you have any source where I might find a foot controller with the needed wiring? Thanks! Sue
Looking at the 761 Instruction Manual, it appears that that model has two plugs sticking out of the machine - one for LIGHT and the other for MOTOR. If your machine is set up like that, I can help. If your machine is configured differently, email a photo or two of the electrical connections to my Gmail address OldSewingMachines. -Ed
I have a Camamatic 502 it sew like a dream but i dont have the cams I research on the web nothing..
please help me the serial number is JA19 NA 12097
thanks
Just bought a Electra Royal xl 6000! Need help finding a manual and bobbin case and bobbins! Help?
Diana
I have a Brother Super De Luxe Precision machine. It says made in Japan. Did Brother make machines in Japan?
I found old Delta deluxe sewing machine with wooden carrying case made in Japan. It works fine but don't have any information.Would love to find out about them. Oh by the way I found it at the garbage dump
Well, I've read these comments and noticed some patterns. I am not here to ascertain resale value, nor seeking a manual. I'm not here looking for "more information" to avoid my own exhaustive investment of time, and I must say...you are a patient dude. Thank you for treating the masses kindly.
I sent you a few pictures to the address listed in these comments a few minutes ago...hoping against hope you could help identify a set of cams I received in a large lot of accessories from eBay for my 403a. Initially I figured they would be easy to pinpoint because cams are so identifiable by the well known manufacturers. I listed them free to good home in a few vintage groups on Facebook and noone knew what they were. So, rather than give up and toss them im 100+ hours into my hunt online and I believe I have located two pics showing they are from an early Emdeko zigzag precision machine, before the cams came in bright colors. Am I on a goose chase or what?
Hate to throw them away ...know anyone I can mail them to?
There are so many Japanese machines made by so many different manufacturers that without some kind of markings on the cams to identify them, it will really be a coincidence if you match them up with a machine. Suggest you join the Yahoo Vintage Japan Sewing Machine Group and pose your question there. At this writing, there are 3185 members in that group, one of them should be able to help. -Ed
I have a White Precision made model TSM-30 that my spouse "unthreaded" by accident and I can't for the life of me thread it correctly, I can't find any info on it. The top of the machine says Precision made commercial walking foot machine. Any help? Thanks!
I have a State made in Japan. It has a number on it, 006944, I think this is the model or serial number. The motor on it is bad and I need a replacement or info on someone that can repair it. Can you help me?
Hi Ed,
I just purchased a R.H. Macy & Co. Model Number G-56-11248. Where can I find out information on this machine, like year made, bobbin size, I also need a belt and a bobbin tire where do I find info on what size I need. I bought this for my daughter for a Christmas present. This will be her first machine.
Hi Ed,
My husband and I recently purchased off of Craigslist a Universal sewing machine, Model KSB (Manufactured in Japan for the Universal Standard Equipment Corporation). She is a beauty and runs AMAZING! I would love to know what year she was manufactured--would know or could you point me in the right direction?
Here's what we know:
Two-toned, mint green and cream
Model KSB (Super Automatic De Luxe)
Serial No. KSB 8X2241
J- A/3 (Made in Japan)
Thank you!
Erin S.
Olympia, WA
Dear Ed, I have my Mom's sewing machine from either 60's or 70's. It'a a Japanese made with the name Long Life. The numbers on the I'd plate shows 1692-two. Have you ever herd of this machine? I've been unable to fond anything abut it. Thanks
Thanks for the info- I just acquired a Kingston that clearly states it was made in Japan, motor in PA. Is there any way to date it a little more specifically?
i have this same modernage sewing machine only mine is black if you are still needin a manual you can look me up on facebook under ora mae more paige and inbox me i can send ya pics of all the pages from the manual
hi ed! this blog is a wealth of information! thanks for making it! i was wondering how to spool my bobbin on a new (to me!) old machine i purchased. i plan on emailing you with photos if you can help, but im unsure which one to use. thanks! Lisa
email: lisafireart@gmail.com
Hi, we purchased an Imperial Model 164, with a JA36 number on it. At first I was looking for a manual and havnt had much luck. I have found other similar manuals though but thats not my question. This model came in a hide-a-way sewing cabinet and were having trouble with the wiring. Originally, there was a plug that the motor and light were plugged into but on side of the plug didnt work. My hubby tried changing out the plug with a regular house hold plug and box. Now when we turn on the machine the light works but if you start to sew, it dims and goes out but turns on once the sewing machine stops. Do you have any ideas? This is supposed to be for a friend but we dont want to give it away until it works well.
Hi, we purchased an Imperial Model 164, with a JA36 number on it. At first I was looking for a manual and havnt had much luck. I have found other similar manuals though but thats not my question. This model came in a hide-a-way sewing cabinet and were having trouble with the wiring. Originally, there was a plug that the motor and light were plugged into but on side of the plug didnt work. My hubby tried changing out the plug with a regular house hold plug and box. Now when we turn on the machine the light works but if you start to sew, it dims and goes out but turns on once the sewing machine stops. Do you have any ideas? This is supposed to be for a friend but we dont want to give it away until it works well.
Found a old UNIVERSAL. SERIAL, Z42952. Just need basic info.. looks great. Time period is what im after.
Hello I found Arrow model #621 . Anyone know if this is a good machine for beginners?
Japanese machines are among the best. Several companies are still in business. Toyota, Brother, Jaguar and Happy. Happy also makes multi needle embroidery machines. I have their 12 needle machine and also a Montgomery Ward Clone of Singer 15 made by Happy. Toyota made the Morse machines.
I'm looking for information on a Holiday brand super zigzag made in Japan metallic green coloring pressed serial # A 05502
Any info please contact me at thorgans@yahoo.com
I purchased a Modernage 2 tone tan sewing machine serial #SK35322. I cannot find anything on this machine or even looks like this machine. Can you please help me?
I have a deluxe dressmaker the only numbers I can find on it are ja34 10444 and k05 please help
Can you tell me what brands can substitute parts for an Emdeko Princess machine?
I have a stitchmaster serial# j100168. What's it's worth
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